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	<title>Comments on: Self-deception In the Denying of the Self -</title>
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	<description>Meditations of an Existential Calvinist</description>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://explorereality.org/2009/08/26/self-deception-vs-the-denying-of-the-self/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess not...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Orthodoxo Presbyterianimus</title>
		<link>http://explorereality.org/2009/08/26/self-deception-vs-the-denying-of-the-self/#comment-189</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthodoxo Presbyterianimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, is there no more reality to explore?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, is there no more reality to explore?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Rooney</title>
		<link>http://explorereality.org/2009/08/26/self-deception-vs-the-denying-of-the-self/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric Rooney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 12:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, nice post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, nice post.</p>
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		<title>By: Orthdoxo Presbyterianimus</title>
		<link>http://explorereality.org/2009/08/26/self-deception-vs-the-denying-of-the-self/#comment-187</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthdoxo Presbyterianimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need to discuss more.  How can I burn down my factory?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to discuss more.  How can I burn down my factory?</p>
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		<title>By: Orthdoxo Presbyterianimus</title>
		<link>http://explorereality.org/2009/08/26/self-deception-vs-the-denying-of-the-self/#comment-186</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Orthdoxo Presbyterianimus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I totally agree.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb Warwick</title>
		<link>http://explorereality.org/2009/08/26/self-deception-vs-the-denying-of-the-self/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Deb Warwick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 18:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So true. Even our best efforts are like filthy rags. It is a good reminder to cling to Christ&#039;s righteousness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true. Even our best efforts are like filthy rags. It is a good reminder to cling to Christ&#8217;s righteousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Weeks</title>
		<link>http://explorereality.org/2009/08/26/self-deception-vs-the-denying-of-the-self/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Weeks]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really enjoyed this post.  You make a good point that we shouldn&#039;t be proud of ourselves for denying our idols, but rather ashamed of our hearts for manufacturing them in the first place!  We&#039;re like thieves who boast about not stealing, when we should really be ashamed of our coveteousness.

I&#039;d never connected idolatry with self-determination before, but it makes sense: the essence of the Fall was man asserting the right to &quot;know&quot; (=determine) good and evil for himself, apart from God.  Since then, man has taken it upon himself to decide what is good enough to worship.

This post has provoked some questions....

1) How would you finish the sentence below?  

&quot;As the repentant thief should not simply refrain from stealing, but rather strive to be satisfied with God&#039;s provision, in the same way the repentant idolater should not simply refrain from worshipping idols, but rather....&quot;?

2) Am I to understand that you see all sin as stemming from our self-determination?

3) Is self-determination what the serpent promised Eve when he said that she would &quot;be like God&quot;?

4) While we must not usurp God&#039;s authority to determine what is *ultimately* good and evil, has not God delegated some authority to us in this regard when He gave man dominan over the earth?  For example, artists choose meanings for their own creations, and engineers freely make trade-offs between conflicting design constraints in an attempt to strike a good balance.  Isn&#039;t then the problem not that we self-determine what our own creations mean and what is good in certain situations, but that we also try to determine things that are actually God&#039;s prerogative?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really enjoyed this post.  You make a good point that we shouldn&#8217;t be proud of ourselves for denying our idols, but rather ashamed of our hearts for manufacturing them in the first place!  We&#8217;re like thieves who boast about not stealing, when we should really be ashamed of our coveteousness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d never connected idolatry with self-determination before, but it makes sense: the essence of the Fall was man asserting the right to &#8220;know&#8221; (=determine) good and evil for himself, apart from God.  Since then, man has taken it upon himself to decide what is good enough to worship.</p>
<p>This post has provoked some questions&#8230;.</p>
<p>1) How would you finish the sentence below?  </p>
<p>&#8220;As the repentant thief should not simply refrain from stealing, but rather strive to be satisfied with God&#8217;s provision, in the same way the repentant idolater should not simply refrain from worshipping idols, but rather&#8230;.&#8221;?</p>
<p>2) Am I to understand that you see all sin as stemming from our self-determination?</p>
<p>3) Is self-determination what the serpent promised Eve when he said that she would &#8220;be like God&#8221;?</p>
<p>4) While we must not usurp God&#8217;s authority to determine what is *ultimately* good and evil, has not God delegated some authority to us in this regard when He gave man dominan over the earth?  For example, artists choose meanings for their own creations, and engineers freely make trade-offs between conflicting design constraints in an attempt to strike a good balance.  Isn&#8217;t then the problem not that we self-determine what our own creations mean and what is good in certain situations, but that we also try to determine things that are actually God&#8217;s prerogative?</p>
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